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Re: untuk pelatih PPP sahaja
jeme5345 wrote:
Buat sume PPP pelatih,
Biar susah dahulu. Senang kemudian. kalau dari awal awak tak buat sume tu nanti dah keje pun tak tahu. At least ambik tau je. Jangan jadikan rutin pulak.
saya sokong...
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sHy wrote:Zero Cool wrote:bagus ni...tread ni bkn shaje untuk pelatih PPP
malah kepade sume wrge PPP pun brgune untuk remind processor yg dh lmbab dn pelupe ni....TQ
aku pon dah lembap sekarang nih..
ni yg tak best bila posting unit specialist mcm aku..
manjang sgn prosedur sampai ubat pon lupa..
seriusly, pharmacology aku hancusss dah skrg...
btway, aku keje di plastic surgery...
plastic surgery best tu....boleh wat laser kat muka sendiri bagi buang tompok2...boleh ka!!!
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huhu boleh kasi taruk tahi lalat kat tepi bibir muahaaa
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msaa wrote:
plastic surgery best tu....boleh wat laser kat muka sendiri bagi buang tompok2...boleh ka!!!
best haper....
keje jadik nurse...
kekadang rase menyesal plak..uhuk2...
terus terang nak gitau nih...kat plastic suregry, skop keje AMO dgn SN 100% sama...
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riyad71 wrote:huhu boleh kasi taruk tahi lalat kat tepi bibir muahaaa
pon boleyh...ahehehehee
bro...bila mau officialkan aku dlm procc???
nickname aku irfanput3r4
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best haper....
keje jadik nurse...
kekadang rase menyesal plak..uhuk2...
terus terang nak gitau nih...kat plastic suregry, skop keje AMO dgn SN 100% sama... quote from shy..
sama gak kt tempat aku.. job description 100% sama.. tp ppp slalu d anak tirikan.. cth paling best.. elaun pos basik.. SN yg ada pos basik sama ngn aku dpt.. tp aku x dpt.. jd bwt adik2.. nk bwt pos basik tu kaji dulu kesesuaian utk dpt elaun nya..
keje jadik nurse...
kekadang rase menyesal plak..uhuk2...
terus terang nak gitau nih...kat plastic suregry, skop keje AMO dgn SN 100% sama... quote from shy..
sama gak kt tempat aku.. job description 100% sama.. tp ppp slalu d anak tirikan.. cth paling best.. elaun pos basik.. SN yg ada pos basik sama ngn aku dpt.. tp aku x dpt.. jd bwt adik2.. nk bwt pos basik tu kaji dulu kesesuaian utk dpt elaun nya..
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untuk semua pelatih ppp terutama untuk yang di ipoh tu... jangan berungut ko orang buat ja... kalo ko orang memang dah tau mau buat benda tu n malas tiru macam aku masa di sana aku panggil ja student nuerse yang pakai biru sama hijau kadang2 yang merah pun kena bagi dia orang buat ko duduk di sebelah dia orang ja kalu dia orang melawan tugu sampai pengajar dia orang raound ko report lee... pa yang ko orang buat di wad tu memang penting untuk korang keja nati... banyak2 sabar jo...yang penting buku log kamu penuh sain k... AKU BUDAK PALING TERJAL N BANGANG KUMP 13 DULU (PUAS SUDAH MR. ADNAN COVER AKU BAGI AKU LULUS SEKARANG BARU AKU TAU LANGIT TU TINGGI TAU RENDAH JOO THANK U KPPUK)
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Dear future AMOs,
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
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true.. strongly agree with brianteh...and the most important all the future PPPs must learn how to comunicate in english. make use all the oppurtunity.. MOs & HOs..and specialist as well.. make use of them.. not for ur personal... but for gaining ur knowledge..
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Biasa latu kalau posting kat wad kena suruh SN buat macam-macam keje yang sepatutnya PPK.Dulu aku siap basuh + cuci satu wad lagi....pandai-pandai meng"ular"kan diri.Banyakkan baca case sheet pesakit..tengok clerking Dr,tengok result lab,X-ray,MRI dan lain-lain.Daripada situ kita boleh belajar.Tak paham boleh semak buku..sekarang ada internet lagi senang...search je.
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masros wrote:Biasa la tu kalau posting kat wad kena suruh SN buat macam-macam keje yang sepatutnya PPK.Dulu aku siap basuh + cuci satu wad lagi....pandai-pandai meng"ular"kan diri.Banyakkan baca case sheet pesakit..tengok clerking Dr,tengok result lab,X-ray,MRI dan lain-lain.Daripada situ kita boleh belajar.Tak paham boleh semak buku..sekarang ada internet lagi senang...search je.
hahah aku tahu ko masros ...memang pandai hehe"mengularkan diri"..
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Re: untuk pelatih PPP sahaja
Dear future AMOs,
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
TQ brianteh
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
TQ brianteh
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just 2 add.. one more thing.. try to flirting with student/staff nurses..wakakakkakkaka
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Dear future AMOs,
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
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Dear future AMOs,
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
TQ brianteh
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Dear future AMOs,
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
brianteh
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Dear future AMOs,
During your Medical and surgical posting it is very important that you learn all about medical and surgical cases, how to clerk case, perform physical examination, know all the relevent lab test that a MO or HO ordered, review/learn how to interpret CXR and plain abd + KUB X ray, learn how to set line, draw blood, learn the colour of bottle samples, follow HO, MO and Physician(Pakar) ward rounds, do CBD and master the art of doing Dressings and learn how to read ECG and all the drugs use in hospital in Malaysia. All these knowledge are indeed important because during your Klinik Kesihatan posting you will diagnose and prescribe drugs. worst if no MO around. Now I can tell you most of the MA in KK are not well equiped in knowledge on medicine. Tak tahu how to clerk case..tak tahu how to examine patient and poor english command because during their student years sibuk nak buat bed making, mandi patient, beri bedpen dan sebagainya yang hanya sesuai dilakukan oleh nurse. We are AMO. During my clinical years in IPOH Hospital early in the morning i help HO take blood samples from patients, follow him round ward and they teach me alot about a diseases and Rx then follow MO round ward and lastly Pakar(I am the only one follow ward rounds because it was done in English,can u imagine). After that I read all the BHT, lab results and review all CXRs dll. My source of medical information directly from MO + HO, seldom ask Sister and SRN accept sisters in Wad 6C and 4A. Then I learn and take all vitals.At the end I still get my cross.Learn smart, you are a student not slave. Learn something that is relevent to your profession.
TQ brianteh
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Re: untuk pelatih PPP sahaja
Tidak setuju dengan cadangan abu aiman...bagi seorang pelatih pengalaman dalam penempatan di wad memang perlu.Penempatan di wad madical,surgical dan lain2 perlu di teruskan bagi mempertingkatkan teknik dan skill apabila di tempatkan di A&E,Klinik Kesihatan dan unit lain.Cuma kurang kan jumlah masa penempatan di wad dan lebih kan lagi masa penempatan di unit2 yang wajib graduate PPP bertugas contoh nya Klinik Kesihatan,A&E,wad psychiatric dan sebagai nya.Apatah lagi masa sekarang program2 yang di lakukan kementerian kesihatan telah banyak...contohnya Klinik HPT,Diabetis,KBM beban kerja setiap tahun sentiasa bertambah.....tetap menten.GO PPPP
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aku rse johnbrito copy brianteh pnye..sbb kt bwt dia tulis TQ brianteh..jd x timbul 1 forumer ada 2 ID..
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Mohd.Azlan wrote:Tidak setuju dengan cadangan abu aiman...bagi seorang pelatih pengalaman dalam penempatan di wad memang perlu.Penempatan di wad madical,surgical dan lain2 perlu di teruskan bagi mempertingkatkan teknik dan skill apabila di tempatkan di A&E,Klinik Kesihatan dan unit lain.Cuma kurang kan jumlah masa penempatan di wad dan lebih kan lagi masa penempatan di unit2 yang wajib graduate PPP bertugas contoh nya Klinik Kesihatan,A&E,wad psychiatric dan sebagai nya.Apatah lagi masa sekarang program2 yang di lakukan kementerian kesihatan telah banyak...contohnya Klinik HPT,Diabetis,KBM beban kerja setiap tahun sentiasa bertambah.....tetap menten.GO PPPP
Terima kasih.
Kajian menunjukkan bahawa hampir 70% keperluan kemahiran bagi seseorang pengamal perubatan (termasuk paramedikal) boleh diperolehi di wad (medikal, sugikal dan lain-lain). Di dalam wad seseorang pelajar itu boleh belajar dalam pelbagai aspek pengurusan pesakit termasuk pemeriksaan fizikal, pemeriksaan klinikal, rawatan ubat-ubatan, kemahiran psiko-motor (prosedur) dan lain-lain lagi. Tanpa kemahiran ini agak sukar seseorang pengamal perubatan berfungsi di lain-lain disiplin termasuk A&E, KK dan lain-lain. Atas keperluan kepada kemahiran ini, kerajaan juga telah meningkatkan tempoh melakukan 'housemanship' dari 1 tahun ke 2 tahun bagi pegawai perubatan.
Bagi PPP, Kurikulum yang ada sekarang memperuntukan masa hanya 2 mnggu sahaja penempatan dimedikal dan surgikal pada semester 4. Dalam masa yang terhad ini tidak banyak kemahiran yang dapat diperolehi oleh pelatih apatah lagi jika terdapat cuti umum dalam tempoh tersebut ( atau lebih banyak buat kerja2 attenden..).
Atas keperluan itu juga, mulai sesi Julai 2009, difahamkan pelatih di semester 4 akan ditempatkan lebih lama di wad medikal dan sugikal atas harapan mereka dapat memperolehi pengetahuan dan kemahiran yang diperlukan. Namun masalah utama, ialah sikap pelatih itu sendiri. Jika semua pelatih mengikuti jejak brianteh, mungkin kurang masalah seperti yang telah diperkatakan oleh johnbrito.
kawe... x suka bau wad
Re: untuk pelatih PPP sahaja
student kna tau objektif sebenar penempatan d wad2.. & tugas local perceptor pula utk membantu mereka & menerangkn kpd wad staff ttg objektif sebenar penempatan student PPP..
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Anywhere...Thanks bro.go PPP
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stma...
dulu stma...skrg? anyway , to all students...study smart geng...practice make prefect actually..
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menjadi pelatih bererti semua benda kena belajar.. susah susah dahulu, senang di kemudian hari... amik ler ilmu selagi ada!!!!! dh keje nanti tak semstinya u all akan dpt belajar lebih banyak lagi.....
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Re: untuk pelatih PPP sahaja
P - pemulaan bagi semua PPPP
E - elok la sentiasa beringat, dan diperingatkan
L - letih ke, penat ke... kene lalui gak
A - amalkan setiap yang baik
T - tahu apa yang kita nak tahu
I - ingat pesan cikgu
H - harap2 korang qualified dengan jayanya!!!!!
E - elok la sentiasa beringat, dan diperingatkan
L - letih ke, penat ke... kene lalui gak
A - amalkan setiap yang baik
T - tahu apa yang kita nak tahu
I - ingat pesan cikgu
H - harap2 korang qualified dengan jayanya!!!!!
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salam ukhuwah persahabatan
korang nk tau x..yang dikatakan tolak 1 markah dalam satu soalan 2 x jd...tolak suku markah...
poning den...cmne perlaksanaan yg diorang buek ni
poning den...cmne perlaksanaan yg diorang buek ni
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